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Why the Justice League movie will probably suck.
Look, I want a good great Justice League movie as much as the next geek. But let’s face it: if WB sticks to what they’ve got going on now it’s going to be a cluster-fuck. 
Here’s why Hollywood Hates Money:
1. There is talk of having the Justice League be independent of the character movies. That means two Supermen, two Green Lanterns, and two Batmen (after the inevitable reboot.) This is the WORST IDEA I’VE HEARD EVER. If you ask 10 of your friends, none of them will think this is a good plan. Everyone will think the Justice League has the “fake” heroes and the stand alone movies are the real ones. Fact. (And use this JLA Batman to start your new Bat-franchise with more fantastic elements. Nobody wants comic movies with no powers ever. Gimme Clayface, dammit.)
2. Darkseid is the rumored villain for the first Justice League. Now, before you say “I love Darkseid you asshole!” let me say that I love him too. But he shouldn’t be the first villain they fight. Where do you go from there? Once you’ve beaten a god, how do you follow that? Do you plan on only one movie? I doubt that very much. What they SHOULD have done is introduce Brainiac in Man of Steel and use him as the main threat. Brainiac is strong enough that Superman needs help, and you can step up to any other JLA villain  after that. Then Darkseid.   (True, we don’t know yet if they’ve done just this. But ask yourself: Do you really think they did? I didn’t think so.)   On top of being equal to the nuclear weapon of villains, Darkseid is too similar to Thanos. Justice League doesn’t need that baggage before it even opens at the box-office. Face it, Avengers beat you to it. You have to take a different route now.
3. WB wants a 2015 release. What? Why? One thing they SHOULD do like Marvel is build a shared universe. Early word is that they plan to start this with Man of Steel. If you throw Wonder Woman or Flash into MoS and keep Ryan Reynolds (YES KEEP HIM. It wasn’t his fault the Green Lantern was less popular than they hoped. It was the story) you have a place to start. Maybe a Justice League movie would hold together. But the reason they’re doing this so fast is because they see the Avengers money and they WANT Avengers money. The best way to get Avengers money is to build anticipation-just like Avengers did. Do you remember the end of Iron Man when Nick Fury showed up? Shit, I do. It was awesome. I wanted more. Marvel kept stringing us along, giving us little bits here and there, making us want it, and then they delivered. And it freakin’ worked. WB needs build that excitement for Justice League.  Give us a Flash movie. Give us Wonder Woman. Let Aquaman show up and help. Let us see the connections. I promise, you’ll have us drooling all over ourselves and waiting outside the theater to get in at midnight if you do. 
All we can do now is wring our hands and wait for official details. I hope that WB gets smart and hires someone in a Joss Whedon capacity to make these movies the right way. I mean, outside of 4 of the Batman movies (Burton and the first two Nolans) and 2 of the Supermans (1 and 2), their theatrical track record for quality sucks. Somebody, get Bruce Timm on the phone. ASAP.
-Smallville
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Agreed.  If they are making this a one-shot deal (which is a bad idea as well) then fine, go for Darkseid.  We all know Hollywood Hates Money, but in particular, DC/Warner Bros. hate money more than anyone else.  There’s no shame whatsoever in stealing from Marvel.  Take their concept of shared world and run with it.  Seeing as how DC actually has FAR LESS limits than Marvel has because they have the rights to all of their characters, unlike Marvel, they should do two movies a year until they get to the Justice League.  Keep Reynolds, drop Flash into it somehow and then later in that year release a Flash movie.  In the Flash movie reference Diana, Hal, Clark, Arthur or someone else (or even a few of them) in newspaper articles, tv news programs, etc. and get people talking.  You don’t need to do a team up movie, just get the audience talking and interested in these other players.  By the third or fourth movie have an appearance or two by them (post-credits or whatever, doesn’t matter).  Let’s face it, Nick Fury had a bigger pop with his 20 seconds of screen time at the end of Iron Man than Bane did in his 20 minutes of screen time in The Dark Knight Stumbles.  Why?  Because it was unexpected sure, but more importantly it was a bridge.  That one post-credits scene was a door into a much larger world.  You had a two hour movie that stunned on all levels.  Once the audience was completely adrenalized by the pace, writing, acting, humor, action and directing of Iron Man they were pushed over the edge by a single scene that lasted no more than 10 or 15 seconds.  Because it opened a flood gate of possibility and was a glimpse into a crystal ball of things to come for a world so big it would take multiple movies to do the characters justice (no pun intended).
Here’s my idea.  Keep Reynolds, keep Caville, keep Mark Strong.  You already set up Sinestro in the first GL movie.  Hal is still a rookie, he can’t beat Sinestro on his own.  He gets Supes to help him defeat Sinestro and you have the first seed planted of both the Justice League, but more importantly, a shared universe with legitimate continuity.  Hal’s humor combined with Clark’s no nonsense attitude would make for great chemistry on screen.  Throw in the fierce presence of Strong as Thaal Sinestro and you CANNOT go wrong.  Hollywood, I know you hate money but please, just do this and take my money…
- Pessimist-of-Sector-2814

Did you really just say nobody likes comic book movies with no powers?
Ever heard of the Dark Knight?

hollywoodhatesmoney:

Why the Justice League movie will probably suck.

Look, I want a good great Justice League movie as much as the next geek. But let’s face it: if WB sticks to what they’ve got going on now it’s going to be a cluster-fuck. 

Here’s why Hollywood Hates Money:

1. There is talk of having the Justice League be independent of the character movies. That means two Supermen, two Green Lanterns, and two Batmen (after the inevitable reboot.) This is the WORST IDEA I’VE HEARD EVER. If you ask 10 of your friends, none of them will think this is a good plan. Everyone will think the Justice League has the “fake” heroes and the stand alone movies are the real ones. Fact. (And use this JLA Batman to start your new Bat-franchise with more fantastic elements. Nobody wants comic movies with no powers ever. Gimme Clayface, dammit.)

2. Darkseid is the rumored villain for the first Justice League. Now, before you say “I love Darkseid you asshole!” let me say that I love him too. But he shouldn’t be the first villain they fight. Where do you go from there? Once you’ve beaten a god, how do you follow that? Do you plan on only one movie? I doubt that very much. What they SHOULD have done is introduce Brainiac in Man of Steel and use him as the main threat. Brainiac is strong enough that Superman needs help, and you can step up to any other JLA villain  after that. Then Darkseid.   (True, we don’t know yet if they’ve done just this. But ask yourself: Do you really think they did? I didn’t think so.)   On top of being equal to the nuclear weapon of villains, Darkseid is too similar to Thanos. Justice League doesn’t need that baggage before it even opens at the box-office. Face it, Avengers beat you to it. You have to take a different route now.

3. WB wants a 2015 release. What? Why? One thing they SHOULD do like Marvel is build a shared universe. Early word is that they plan to start this with Man of Steel. If you throw Wonder Woman or Flash into MoS and keep Ryan Reynolds (YES KEEP HIM. It wasn’t his fault the Green Lantern was less popular than they hoped. It was the story) you have a place to start. Maybe a Justice League movie would hold together. But the reason they’re doing this so fast is because they see the Avengers money and they WANT Avengers money. The best way to get Avengers money is to build anticipation-just like Avengers did. Do you remember the end of Iron Man when Nick Fury showed up? Shit, I do. It was awesome. I wanted more. Marvel kept stringing us along, giving us little bits here and there, making us want it, and then they delivered. And it freakin’ worked. WB needs build that excitement for Justice League.  Give us a Flash movie. Give us Wonder Woman. Let Aquaman show up and help. Let us see the connections. I promise, you’ll have us drooling all over ourselves and waiting outside the theater to get in at midnight if you do. 

All we can do now is wring our hands and wait for official details. I hope that WB gets smart and hires someone in a Joss Whedon capacity to make these movies the right way. I mean, outside of 4 of the Batman movies (Burton and the first two Nolans) and 2 of the Supermans (1 and 2), their theatrical track record for quality sucks. Somebody, get Bruce Timm on the phone. ASAP.

-Smallville

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Agreed.  If they are making this a one-shot deal (which is a bad idea as well) then fine, go for Darkseid.  We all know Hollywood Hates Money, but in particular, DC/Warner Bros. hate money more than anyone else.  There’s no shame whatsoever in stealing from Marvel.  Take their concept of shared world and run with it.  Seeing as how DC actually has FAR LESS limits than Marvel has because they have the rights to all of their characters, unlike Marvel, they should do two movies a year until they get to the Justice League.  Keep Reynolds, drop Flash into it somehow and then later in that year release a Flash movie.  In the Flash movie reference Diana, Hal, Clark, Arthur or someone else (or even a few of them) in newspaper articles, tv news programs, etc. and get people talking.  You don’t need to do a team up movie, just get the audience talking and interested in these other players.  By the third or fourth movie have an appearance or two by them (post-credits or whatever, doesn’t matter).  Let’s face it, Nick Fury had a bigger pop with his 20 seconds of screen time at the end of Iron Man than Bane did in his 20 minutes of screen time in The Dark Knight Stumbles.  Why?  Because it was unexpected sure, but more importantly it was a bridge.  That one post-credits scene was a door into a much larger world.  You had a two hour movie that stunned on all levels.  Once the audience was completely adrenalized by the pace, writing, acting, humor, action and directing of Iron Man they were pushed over the edge by a single scene that lasted no more than 10 or 15 seconds.  Because it opened a flood gate of possibility and was a glimpse into a crystal ball of things to come for a world so big it would take multiple movies to do the characters justice (no pun intended).

Here’s my idea.  Keep Reynolds, keep Caville, keep Mark Strong.  You already set up Sinestro in the first GL movie.  Hal is still a rookie, he can’t beat Sinestro on his own.  He gets Supes to help him defeat Sinestro and you have the first seed planted of both the Justice League, but more importantly, a shared universe with legitimate continuity.  Hal’s humor combined with Clark’s no nonsense attitude would make for great chemistry on screen.  Throw in the fierce presence of Strong as Thaal Sinestro and you CANNOT go wrong.  Hollywood, I know you hate money but please, just do this and take my money…

- Pessimist-of-Sector-2814

Did you really just say nobody likes comic book movies with no powers?

Ever heard of the Dark Knight?